Dear Raymour and Flanigan, we hate you.
Fun August 21st, 2007Dave and I recently ended our furniture hunt. After two agonizing weeks of searching for accent tables, we decided to get a set we’d seen back at La-Z-Boy while looking for seating. I liked it immediately, but he didn’t. Not until he saw the exact same thing at Lauter’s in Easton did he conclude that he liked it. I suppose it was because he saw it matched with other furniture in better lighting. I wasn’t peeved that we could have saved all that time continuing to shop. I was really just happy the nightmare was over.
One of the worst experiences we had while still searching was at Raymour and Flanigan. We stupidly went to the Quakertown store thinking it would be different than the one in
The Quakertown store was as bad as
My technique at that point was to completely ignore them, mumbling or grunting short answers when they asked what we’re looking for. Dave felt this was rude, but I figure “Hey, they don’t know me. I don’t know them. I don’t owe them anything.” Besides, any minute some other poor saps are going to walk in the front door and they can have their way with them. I also kept my sunglasses on so I wouldn’t have to make eye contact. It made me seem a little crazy. All the better.
I know they work on commission and their jobs can’t be very easy with most of the people walking in and walking out without buying anything. But for crying out loud, we might have actually wanted something in the store, but we were so preoccupied with getting some privacy, we couldn’t take enough time to really see anything.
Here’s what I propose to you, Raymour and Flanigan. If you follow these simple rules, we can guarantee your sales will increase exponentially:
- No touching. The attack dog at the Whitehall store kept patting Dave on the back and grabbing his shoulders like they were old friends who go way back. Keep your paws off.
- When we have something to say, we’ll come get you. Be like polite children: Speak only when spoken to.
- Don’t huddle around other sales people quietly talking about who’s going to “take us on.” We can see you, we know what you’re doing and it’s annoying.
- No tailgating. When you say “I’ll be right here if you need anything,” stay in that spot. We’ll find you if we need something.
- If we ask you a question, it means we just have a question. Answer it and then retreat.
If you had followed these rules, you might have made a thousand dollar sale. How’s that for screwing yourselves over?
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August 27th, 2007 at 3:29 am
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August 27th, 2007 at 10:31 am
Thanks for that link. I did do some research after my experience, and it seems most people were upset by the after-purchase service. I’m really glad now that we never bought anything from them!
May 23rd, 2008 at 2:50 am
hello there kathy,
i used to sell furniture for raymour and flanigan and i just wanted you to know its people like you who make this world harder than it has to be. the salesman at raymour and flanigan simply want to greet you and see if they can help with a purchase. the salesman often wait several hours just for one customer. so, i think its not only right to be polite to them its should be expected! i do agree usually there are a few salesman standing around when there are only supposed to be 2. you know what though…i look at it this way. when you go to a steak house or crowded resturant there are many employees there also, but in the customers eyes its ok because its a resturant, but in the end its between you and your waitress and im willing to bet your numbe to your waitress even though there might be 20 of them running around! you should be nice and respect all employees and the job they do. i am nice to car salesman, gas station attendents, and the greeter at walmart! i respect everyone until they give me a reason not too! i find you simply as a miserable woman with alot of growing up to do! your probably the same kinda customer who walks in a store on your cell phone! who knows? either way, as a sales professional i find you rude and very wrong about what you write! being rude and mumbling to a salesman is very wrong, most people i worked with are good people trying to make a living! you should be ashamed of your sorry self!
May 23rd, 2008 at 3:53 am
bill cummings — Thanks for your input. I don’t agree that I was rude. Yes, I ignored them and gave them very short answers when approached, but I in no way insulted them. In fact, I think they insulted me as a customer, not allowing me to browse leisurely. They made it impossible to feel relaxed during what might have been a very large purchase.
I appreciate your comment and agree that everyone should be nice to salespeople who have a tough job. But the salespeople have a responsibility, also, to use care when dealing with customers who wish not to be ambushed at the door and throughout the store. I’m happy to make my purchases where I feel comfortable and not pressured to buy.
Thanks again for your feedback.
May 23rd, 2008 at 10:22 am
i worked for raymour and flanigan for over 5 years and i know the greeting….its far from ambushed. lol, its always one salesman just saying hello and wanting to know if you need assistence. funny, if you were in the store for 40 minutes and had a question or needed help and nobody was around how would you feel? you see, its real simple kathy, usually the customer who has a bad experience generally isnt there to buy anything. i have been a sales professional for over 20 years and this much i know, maybe you shouldnt leave your house and go places if your gonna mumble and ignore people only trying to make your experience a better one! i ever saw more good people get mistreated more than furniture salesman and most of them are really good people just trying to make a living. not sharks, monsters, and grizzly bears everyone makes us out to be! remember, most salespeople wait long periods of time and work on an “up” system so imagine if you waited 2 hours for your up and i walked in your store and ignored you and didnt even have the respect to say hello? also, if you see anything you did like and may come back for the purchase its ok to ask for the salesmans card if you were treated with professional service, its funny, i see alot of customers come back to buy and dont give thought to the salesperson who helped them for a few hours and answered all their questions. why should the salesman just “standing there” get rewarded with your purchase? im sure the salesman who helped you probably has kids and a mortgage too! on a final note, im a big tipper and when im in a resturant and my waiter/waitress treats me great i tip them great, but could you imagine after all that hard work i tipped a different waitress? you should see me shop kathy, im a gentleman and im always smiling, and if im not in a mood to be around salespeople i simply dont walk in the store. when a salesperson loses a loved one or gets in a car accident they still have to smile and be professional and deal with miserable people, they dont have a choice like you! when you walk into a furniture store YOU are the very reason that salesman pressed his/her shirt, shaved, combed their hair, and put on a nice greeting! in the moment, your all that person has to make a living! whats the wrong in that?
May 25th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Mr. Cummins
waaaaaaaa!!!!!!
Do you have a shoulder to continue to cry on? You forget a few details…
You are there to serve us. don’t like it? QUIT
The customer is always right, regardless of what your interpretation of their attitude is. Don’t like it? QUIT
Without the customer, you don’t have a job. We don’t need you, you need us.
Unfortunately, you have spit shined a nicer response than is really true. EVERY chain furniture store I have ever entered has done their best in ambushing me, and has never received a penny of my money.
I was just at one last night, where we were ambushed the second we walked in, the lady asked us approx. 5 questions in a row without allowing me to attempt to answer the first one. After being told we want to look around ourselves, she followed us around commenting on every piece she thinks we should buy, not want we want, what she thinks we want. She continued to literally tell me to sit on this couch or chair. Don’t tell me what to do. That store lost out on approx. $ 2,000. because the sales staff pissed me off to no end. I realize theres exceptions everywhere, and not all sales are pushy, but like many many things in life, the minority is wrecking it for the majority. Pushy won’t win. I will not break. You WILL NOT get my money, ever. I will find a store, pay more for the same thing to be treated with respect by a salesmen that understands that he/she is there for the customer, period.
Not the other way around. Don’t like it? QUIT. I don’t even know you, but I guarantee a gun was not put to your head, and you were forced to become a couch salesman.
What really pisses me off is that no one seems to use the God given gift of common sense anymore. Stop passing the buck, and take responsibility for your own actions.
May 25th, 2008 at 10:43 am
listen to yourself,
furniture store are gigantic and usually a customer goes in to find a “specific” item. i will repeat whats wrong with a salesman saying hello and qualifying a customer to help them find what they are looking for? it not like we are door to door salesman knocking on the front door to your home, you walked in to the store. you could have went out for an ice cream, you could have went to a movie or a steak dinner, but you went into a furniture store! once again, i have never witnessed a customer getting “ambushed”. thats so funny now in this great country we all live in that when we say hello to one another its considered being ambushed! do you know how many times i have been ignored by a customer just for saying the words “hello’? this isnt about furniture really, i have been in sales all my life and make a wonderful living at at. this is about respect. when your a mcdonalds and the person asks if you want a hot apple pie with that they are just doing there job!!!! even though i dont like it, i understand it! we are all americans. lets get patriotic and start treating each other with respect instead of looking at everyone and everything like the enemy! i agree, some salesman are pushy and very aggressive, but 90% are good people trying to make a living and by the way my name is “cummings” whats your name?
May 26th, 2008 at 10:01 am
mr. cummings,
whats wrong with a salesmen saying hello, is that the only thing on their mind is the commission money, not to be pleasant. yes I walked into the store looking for a specific item of furniture. that does not justify a salesmen actions of ambushing me. and of course you don’t see it that way, your looking at it from the salesmans side of things. oh, and i worked at Mcdonalds for three plus years when i was in high school. great job, taught me alot about sales, respecting other people, etc.. i was taught to (what they referred to in the 1980’s) “suggestive sell” other things. if they had no fries, suggest fries, or pie, etc. but they also taught me self restraint and common sense. if the customer is obviously lets say “not in the mood” you should use your God given common sense, and not push an issue. something that has completely been forgotten and thrown away in this generation, replaced with greed for the almighty dollar.
and because the next generation learns from this one…imagine the attitudes and what customer no-service will be like in the future……
July 6th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
When a cop pulls you over and issues you ticket, the officer is just doing his job. When a salesman stalks you in the store, he is just doing his job. Nonetheless, both scenarios are annoying.
July 6th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
brian,
the simple thing i wanted to say from the very beginning is that salesman simply saying hello and greeting you at the door is far far away from stalking a customer. what kind of society do we live in now where the customer feels like their being “stalked” just becuase someone simply says hello, or can i help you? by the way brian, if an officer gives you a ticket its because your doing doing something stupid and your very right, we are both doing our jobs!!!
July 6th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
forum for the rude and uneducated, do you people think i am not a consumer? i am in sales, but im also a consumer like you!! i dont mind being asked for help, but i do mind being stalked. i dont think theres a thing wrong with a commisioned salesperson. why should i? when im ready to make a purchase i want to know about the companies promotions, discounts, or warranty info. i buy cars, motorcycles, carpet, clothing, appliances, etc and i have respect for everyone i talk to until that salesperson gives me a reason not too!! bottom line in all of this is people helping people and i see nothing wrong with that. i think deep down alot of you selfish consumers have a problem with the word “commision”. i have no problem seeing a nice person trying to make a living getting a commision as long as i was taking care of and treated with respect. when im in a diner or resturant i know the waitress doesnt really care about me or want to know me, but as long as my order is correct and hot im leaving a tip. it whats wrong with that? folks, i would rather have someone greet me than me walk into a store needing help and have all the employees ignore me! i think my way of thinking is from seeing both sides “s.w.no matter where you go or what you buy whether its a bolt and screw at lowes or a lawnmower at sears, you will eventually need help or have a question. then, i hope they leave your miserable ass alone because your doing ok all by yourself! good for you!
July 6th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
i have a good idea, why dont you take all your negative energy writing and crying about negative salesman and the next time you go to a company and your treated with kindness and wowed by the service, write a nice letter to their boss and compliment them! this has nothing to do with raymour and flanigan, its about people helping people and whether that make 50.00 an hour or work on commision shouldnt matter! when was the last time any of you people wrote a kind letter to someones employer? yeah, thats what i thought………..
July 21st, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Patting him on the back and grabbing his shoulder! good heavens, you can’t be serious!
July 21st, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Helen — We prefer the “no touchy, no feely” method of shopping. No surprise we won’t shop there anymore. Sigh.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
I work at Raymour and can usually tell before someone walks in when they are uptight about sales approaching. I just say hello and let them know I can tell they want to be alone and let them know I’ll be around. I wait to see if they look like they have questions before reapproaching.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
GG — I’d love to shake your hand! That is exactly the approach I would appreciate, and one that is more likely to result in a sale. You sound experienced and in tune with the customer’s wants and needs. My hat goes off to you! Thanks for commenting.
July 25th, 2008 at 8:00 am
Hello,my name is Brian.I’m currently an employee of Raymour and Flanigan.I sympathize with you on behalf of your encounter with that particular salesperson,but I don’t appreciate being lumped in with him or his ilk.In the handbook it tells us to greet and then let the customer enjoy their shopping experience.That is the way I handle my clients and and all potential clients that enter my store.
First of all,we have to take turns greeting customers.So we’re not standing there waiting to pounce.We are people too,so we may just be standing there talking to each other like “real people” do at their jobs every day.Second of all,it’s people like you and those on cell phones that make us seem like we’re chasing you down.If you would just walk in and say hello and that you’re only looking it would be a lot easier for both parties.We are supposed to keep our clients within view at all times,in case you have any questions.
If you suddenly have a question and no one is around you get mad and say the service is terrible.If you have to find someone to answer a question,then we as sales consultants,may be reprimanded by our managers,because we we weren’t there to assist you.
I think everyone should be a waiter/waitress and do some sort of sales in their lives.You would then understand both occupations are extremely tough because of the public.The public comes in with bad attitudes and we’re supposed to know and adjust to them.
One more thing,if you didn’t like your salesperson patting you on the back you had two options.You could have left or just ask to speak to his manager.You came in with the attitude you were going to be nasty and your experience justified it to you.I apologize on behalf of the many employees that don’t behave like that.
July 25th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Hi, Brian — You definitely work in a tough occupation, no doubt. I think it just needs to be tweaked a little so that sales staff do not feel they must be so aggressive on customers. It’s really a management problem. They should operate under the assumption that most people prefer to shop leisurely rather than to be pressured as they move about the store.
You are clearly not behaving in the way I’ve seen others behave in two different R&F stores. If I’m making a generalization, it’s because my experience warranted it. It’s not quite right that I would be mad if no one was around to answer my questions. R&F hires enough staff that I know it would only take a moment to find someone.
I wish you had be working at the store the day my husband and I shopped there. Would have been a good sales day. Thank you for taking time to comment. It’s good to hear from R&F staff.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:07 am
And S.W. you just sound like a bitter person.You say you would go to a smaller store and buy something for more but I don’t believe you.You’re one of those people that comes in miserable,doesn’t want to be bothered but then complains when no one is there to help them.Then as soon as someone does,the first thing out of your mouth is “I want a deal on this.”
Please don’t tell me to quit a job I enjoy,for the most part,because I have to deal with people like you.If you don’t want to be bothered with sales people,you should love the internet.Stay home and shop.If you worked at Macdonald’s like you say you did,you should understand the greeting.I worked at Friendly’s back in the day,and one of the first things they teach is how to greet the customers.
It’s not the new generation of sales people that are to blame for your attitude,it’s the new generation of the public.Everyone is just about themselves nowadays.The question in their heads is “how does this affect me?”Everyone wants to get to where they want to go now!!They don’t stop to see who or what is in their way and they don’t care.
If someone treated your son or daughter that way you would be the first to complain.I don’t pretend to know what you’re looking for or what style you have in your home,but I can tell you where to find something or if something is good quality or if it’s a low end product.R&F has items that span the whole spectrum.I wouldn’t let you buy something I would sell to a college kid who only needs it for the few years he’s in his apartment.
If you took the time to look at your salesperson you would see that the name tag says”consultant.”That’s exactly what we are there for.Take the time to see the person and not focus on the job…it might make a difference to all concerned.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Kathy,I appreciate your response and thank you.I have a couple guys like that in my store,so I do know what you’re talking about.I’ve only been doing this a few years so maybe I’m still jaded but for the most part,most of us realize that people just want to look around.It just bothers me that we get the rap we do when it’s not the majority of us that behave that way.Again,thank you for understanding.
July 26th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
brian p.
believe it! my wife and i went to a smaller town furniture store (they had two employees working the night we visited).
we were greeted professionally, left to explore the store for what we were looking for, then the saleswoman answered our questions, hunted down patterns, styles, ect. basically went over and above the call of duty while we sat in comfy chairs, never once pushing anything on us. in fact it took two visits to make up our mind. we finished deal on a thursday nite, well after closing time, never feeling pushed because it was quitting time for her. we asked when our couch could be delivered, thinking a week out is acceptable, she told us they could deliver the very next day. (free) we had an issue with the fabric underneath our leather couch (we bought all lazy-boy) it tore during delivery. they told us not to worry, they ordered a new one came out on their own time fixed for free. then made third trip to deliver custom ordered chair, all free.
of course not all salesmen/women are “evil”, but i disagree with your statement on how we as consumers only need to say “no thanks, were just looking” because they have NEVER stopped at that point with me. what happens next is what gets my blood boiling. they continue to ask questions, such as “well what are you looking for?” or ” what can i help you to find?” i figure that when i say no thanks, that’s a pretty straight forward statement.
again, no one has a gun to your head forcing you to work where you or i work. if the management is putting the squeeze on, and it goes against your grain, you or anyone needs to take the responsibility to walk, not stay and pass the buck of blame to whomever is handy.
by the way, we ended up paying the same as any quote we found in chain store, with exceptionally higher service…
July 26th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
s.w. — Thank you for sharing your positive experience. It shows that it’s not necessary to pressure customers. In fact, I don’t think I mentioned where we ultimately bought our furniture — La-z-Boy. Yes, it’s a chain store, but they know what they’re doing. When you walk in, they greet you ONCE, announce their name, and let you go on your merry way. When you’re ready, you go back and get that person’s attention again and they begin the process of assisting you.
Couldn’t have been easier and I wish we would have gone there first and been done with it. Furniture shopping need not be the torture.
July 26th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
S.W. and Kathy I again say,it’s not all salespeople.That is the only thing I’m trying to get across.I very rarely sell my clients the first time they come in unless they come in for a specific item.Even then,just like alot of us old school people,they might have come in just to see what it looks like in person instead of on the internet or a sales flyer.S.W.I am not passing any buck.I’m a 49 yr.old man and I take full responsibility for everything I do.I don’t act the way you describe and I take offense at your lumping me in with everyone.I work in a 72,000 sq.ft.store so when I let you go on your way I am staying visible to you,in case you have a question.I congratulate you on finding what you wanted,where you wanted but all I’m saying is don’t paint us all with such a broad stroke of your brush.
July 27th, 2008 at 5:28 am
Brian P — Yes, I’m aware not all sales staff operate in this way, and congratulations on not being one of them. I did find that most of the staff in the two stores I visited overdid it, though. Maybe it’s a regional thing? Some of the commenters here had better experiences elsewhere from stores that don’t operate in this manner, and bought things, so it shows it’s possible to still be successful without the hard sell. Maybe R&F’s sales totals prove otherwise, but I know I won’t be returning there since I’m pretty sure I know what I can expect. I wish you continued success. Maybe you even do a little better than your counterparts, since you’re following the beat of a different drummer.
July 27th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Gosh-I just happened across this! I had a terrible experience with Raymour and Flanigan a few years ago-However I do not blame the sales man-although yes, he was pushy, and I went in a few times to decide on a dining room set-and dreaded each time I saw him-but-I most fault
the corporation and management.I should have reported them to Better Business Bureau.Truly a horrendous experience with the delivery,terrible quality of furniture,etc. The dining room table-original one was
unbelievable-finish was “buckling”-got a new table with
great difficulty-that one, the legs fell off…..I wrote
the regional manager-explained all of the problems(took off several afternoons for instance to get delivery-no shows-would come with one chair-just for an example of what i went through.He sent me a check for $50 bucks!)
I got a new dining room table from a different company-
When the delivery guy brought the R&F table down to my garage-very nice of hime to do so-said,” I don’t even know what this is made out of-it’s not wood-it’s like particle board or something?” It’s still in my garage-legs fallen off and all.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
i recently went to a new R n F store in my neighborhood. i was approached by a sales clerk who offered me a bottle of water and let me know his name also that he would be around if I was in need of any assistance.
I expressed to him that i was just browsing and if I decide on anything I would look for him then. He was fine with it. I didnt purhase n e thing however i did look for him before i left to get his card for the next time i visit the store.
Of course others approached me and i expressed that i already had a sales clerk to see just in case. They were not hostile or agressive. Yes it can be annoying but its their job to get a sale.
I believe that people already know what to expect when they enter a funiture store so they get on the defensive as they approach the door.
Be for real people when you walk into a Gucci, Louis Vuitton, coach, prada, and various stores the sale clerks in these stores also come to your assistance. The goal is to make a sale. You know what to expect when you walk into them.
So No! the sales clerk shouid NOT quit, the consumer which i am one should not go into the stores. You have a choice not to purchase not to be intimidated and mostly not to enter the store.
Most if not ALL funiture stores are this way so suck it up.
August 9th, 2008 at 1:08 am
I have been in sales my whole life, sales people are a different breed. Most people don’t understand what makes us tick. As a salesman myself, what makes most of us tick is Money. As for the R&f sales people, I have gone to the store in Whitehall and the sales person did follow us around all over the store, we didn’t buy because we were followed around all over the store. I think as a trainer and a multi millionaire dollar sales producer their training staff should teach their sales people to relax, if a customer walks in the store approach, give them your business card, show them where your desk is, explain that you work on a commission base and to please come back and talk to me if you are interested or have any questions. This would go over so much better and would probably gain the store and sales force more sales. On top of it all, the customer would feel relaxed and would buy. Win win situation.
August 16th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I HATE the people that work at Raymour and Flanigan, they are like vultures. and they have also swallowed the BS they must have been fed while being trained. I think the furniture is poor quality and overpriced and the whole shebang must have “drank the koolaid”. and are awaiting the halebop comet so they can get on the tail and ride off to never never land. they work for scam artists.
August 18th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Kathy, you obviously are the kind of person that feels the need to step out of the shower to blow her nose…lol What is it about sales people that scare you so much? Is it your lack of intelligence or could it be that you are a very insecure individual? I work in the corporate world but I started my work waiting tables and took on a sales job in my early days to help me with leverage on my corporate job. I had a lot of fun selling and most of my customers were very happy with my service. Reasons why they were happy came from the greetings as they walked in, making sure I was around for questioning, letting them know about different finance options, educating them about our products and services, and last but not least showing them the value of our products. Now people like you whether you believe it or not will never have a great experience looking for furniture or any other commission based professional business because you have poor attitudes and live sheltered lives with in your own little work network an no matter what you will represent yourself as a miserable person…. Well that’s all I have to say…
August 18th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Kathy & Others
Don’t ever think you are taken for granted. As potential customers you are the most important thing to us. As a sales associates and manager I am proud to be part of this company. With that said I also understand the shopping experience which can be frightening and a bit confusing at times. We all work diligently to make your shopping experience a good one, that’s extremely important to me and our sales associates.
We want to greet each guest and introduce ourselves and leave you to do your own browsing at your own pace. We also must be available to answer questions. If you have questions and most furnishings shoppers will have some we should be available to answer them.
You really can’t be “SOLD” anything you don’t want. You should and will “MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION”. I’ve been in this business for a long time and I love what I do. What we all try to do here is give you direction if you need it so you don’t make mistakes and we should also be sure you don’t spend any more than you have to.
Well whether shopping Raymour & Flanigan or any other fine furniture store use the professionals, if you need them, and do compare qualities and prices. You work hard for your money and deserve to purchase the best quality at the best value to properly decorate a comfortable and beautiful home.
Good luck to all of you, and look forward to shopping for furniture it can be a great experience.