Dear Raymour and Flanigan, we hate you.
Fun August 21st, 2007Dave and I recently ended our furniture hunt. After two agonizing weeks of searching for accent tables, we decided to get a set we’d seen back at La-Z-Boy while looking for seating. I liked it immediately, but he didn’t. Not until he saw the exact same thing at Lauter’s in Easton did he conclude that he liked it. I suppose it was because he saw it matched with other furniture in better lighting. I wasn’t peeved that we could have saved all that time continuing to shop. I was really just happy the nightmare was over.
One of the worst experiences we had while still searching was at Raymour and Flanigan. We stupidly went to the Quakertown store thinking it would be different than the one in
The Quakertown store was as bad as
My technique at that point was to completely ignore them, mumbling or grunting short answers when they asked what we’re looking for. Dave felt this was rude, but I figure “Hey, they don’t know me. I don’t know them. I don’t owe them anything.” Besides, any minute some other poor saps are going to walk in the front door and they can have their way with them. I also kept my sunglasses on so I wouldn’t have to make eye contact. It made me seem a little crazy. All the better.
I know they work on commission and their jobs can’t be very easy with most of the people walking in and walking out without buying anything. But for crying out loud, we might have actually wanted something in the store, but we were so preoccupied with getting some privacy, we couldn’t take enough time to really see anything.
Here’s what I propose to you, Raymour and Flanigan. If you follow these simple rules, we can guarantee your sales will increase exponentially:
- No touching. The attack dog at the Whitehall store kept patting Dave on the back and grabbing his shoulders like they were old friends who go way back. Keep your paws off.
- When we have something to say, we’ll come get you. Be like polite children: Speak only when spoken to.
- Don’t huddle around other sales people quietly talking about who’s going to “take us on.” We can see you, we know what you’re doing and it’s annoying.
- No tailgating. When you say “I’ll be right here if you need anything,” stay in that spot. We’ll find you if we need something.
- If we ask you a question, it means we just have a question. Answer it and then retreat.
If you had followed these rules, you might have made a thousand dollar sale. How’s that for screwing yourselves over?
Stumble it!






August 27th, 2007 at 3:29 am
Hi
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August 27th, 2007 at 10:31 am
Thanks for that link. I did do some research after my experience, and it seems most people were upset by the after-purchase service. I’m really glad now that we never bought anything from them!
May 23rd, 2008 at 2:50 am
hello there kathy,
i used to sell furniture for raymour and flanigan and i just wanted you to know its people like you who make this world harder than it has to be. the salesman at raymour and flanigan simply want to greet you and see if they can help with a purchase. the salesman often wait several hours just for one customer. so, i think its not only right to be polite to them its should be expected! i do agree usually there are a few salesman standing around when there are only supposed to be 2. you know what though…i look at it this way. when you go to a steak house or crowded resturant there are many employees there also, but in the customers eyes its ok because its a resturant, but in the end its between you and your waitress and im willing to bet your numbe to your waitress even though there might be 20 of them running around! you should be nice and respect all employees and the job they do. i am nice to car salesman, gas station attendents, and the greeter at walmart! i respect everyone until they give me a reason not too! i find you simply as a miserable woman with alot of growing up to do! your probably the same kinda customer who walks in a store on your cell phone! who knows? either way, as a sales professional i find you rude and very wrong about what you write! being rude and mumbling to a salesman is very wrong, most people i worked with are good people trying to make a living! you should be ashamed of your sorry self!
May 23rd, 2008 at 3:53 am
bill cummings — Thanks for your input. I don’t agree that I was rude. Yes, I ignored them and gave them very short answers when approached, but I in no way insulted them. In fact, I think they insulted me as a customer, not allowing me to browse leisurely. They made it impossible to feel relaxed during what might have been a very large purchase.
I appreciate your comment and agree that everyone should be nice to salespeople who have a tough job. But the salespeople have a responsibility, also, to use care when dealing with customers who wish not to be ambushed at the door and throughout the store. I’m happy to make my purchases where I feel comfortable and not pressured to buy.
Thanks again for your feedback.
May 23rd, 2008 at 10:22 am
i worked for raymour and flanigan for over 5 years and i know the greeting….its far from ambushed. lol, its always one salesman just saying hello and wanting to know if you need assistence. funny, if you were in the store for 40 minutes and had a question or needed help and nobody was around how would you feel? you see, its real simple kathy, usually the customer who has a bad experience generally isnt there to buy anything. i have been a sales professional for over 20 years and this much i know, maybe you shouldnt leave your house and go places if your gonna mumble and ignore people only trying to make your experience a better one! i ever saw more good people get mistreated more than furniture salesman and most of them are really good people just trying to make a living. not sharks, monsters, and grizzly bears everyone makes us out to be! remember, most salespeople wait long periods of time and work on an “up” system so imagine if you waited 2 hours for your up and i walked in your store and ignored you and didnt even have the respect to say hello? also, if you see anything you did like and may come back for the purchase its ok to ask for the salesmans card if you were treated with professional service, its funny, i see alot of customers come back to buy and dont give thought to the salesperson who helped them for a few hours and answered all their questions. why should the salesman just “standing there” get rewarded with your purchase? im sure the salesman who helped you probably has kids and a mortgage too! on a final note, im a big tipper and when im in a resturant and my waiter/waitress treats me great i tip them great, but could you imagine after all that hard work i tipped a different waitress? you should see me shop kathy, im a gentleman and im always smiling, and if im not in a mood to be around salespeople i simply dont walk in the store. when a salesperson loses a loved one or gets in a car accident they still have to smile and be professional and deal with miserable people, they dont have a choice like you! when you walk into a furniture store YOU are the very reason that salesman pressed his/her shirt, shaved, combed their hair, and put on a nice greeting! in the moment, your all that person has to make a living! whats the wrong in that?
May 25th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Mr. Cummins
waaaaaaaa!!!!!!
Do you have a shoulder to continue to cry on? You forget a few details…
You are there to serve us. don’t like it? QUIT
The customer is always right, regardless of what your interpretation of their attitude is. Don’t like it? QUIT
Without the customer, you don’t have a job. We don’t need you, you need us.
Unfortunately, you have spit shined a nicer response than is really true. EVERY chain furniture store I have ever entered has done their best in ambushing me, and has never received a penny of my money.
I was just at one last night, where we were ambushed the second we walked in, the lady asked us approx. 5 questions in a row without allowing me to attempt to answer the first one. After being told we want to look around ourselves, she followed us around commenting on every piece she thinks we should buy, not want we want, what she thinks we want. She continued to literally tell me to sit on this couch or chair. Don’t tell me what to do. That store lost out on approx. $ 2,000. because the sales staff pissed me off to no end. I realize theres exceptions everywhere, and not all sales are pushy, but like many many things in life, the minority is wrecking it for the majority. Pushy won’t win. I will not break. You WILL NOT get my money, ever. I will find a store, pay more for the same thing to be treated with respect by a salesmen that understands that he/she is there for the customer, period.
Not the other way around. Don’t like it? QUIT. I don’t even know you, but I guarantee a gun was not put to your head, and you were forced to become a couch salesman.
What really pisses me off is that no one seems to use the God given gift of common sense anymore. Stop passing the buck, and take responsibility for your own actions.
May 25th, 2008 at 10:43 am
listen to yourself,
furniture store are gigantic and usually a customer goes in to find a “specific” item. i will repeat whats wrong with a salesman saying hello and qualifying a customer to help them find what they are looking for? it not like we are door to door salesman knocking on the front door to your home, you walked in to the store. you could have went out for an ice cream, you could have went to a movie or a steak dinner, but you went into a furniture store! once again, i have never witnessed a customer getting “ambushed”. thats so funny now in this great country we all live in that when we say hello to one another its considered being ambushed! do you know how many times i have been ignored by a customer just for saying the words “hello’? this isnt about furniture really, i have been in sales all my life and make a wonderful living at at. this is about respect. when your a mcdonalds and the person asks if you want a hot apple pie with that they are just doing there job!!!! even though i dont like it, i understand it! we are all americans. lets get patriotic and start treating each other with respect instead of looking at everyone and everything like the enemy! i agree, some salesman are pushy and very aggressive, but 90% are good people trying to make a living and by the way my name is “cummings” whats your name?
May 26th, 2008 at 10:01 am
mr. cummings,
whats wrong with a salesmen saying hello, is that the only thing on their mind is the commission money, not to be pleasant. yes I walked into the store looking for a specific item of furniture. that does not justify a salesmen actions of ambushing me. and of course you don’t see it that way, your looking at it from the salesmans side of things. oh, and i worked at Mcdonalds for three plus years when i was in high school. great job, taught me alot about sales, respecting other people, etc.. i was taught to (what they referred to in the 1980′s) “suggestive sell” other things. if they had no fries, suggest fries, or pie, etc. but they also taught me self restraint and common sense. if the customer is obviously lets say “not in the mood” you should use your God given common sense, and not push an issue. something that has completely been forgotten and thrown away in this generation, replaced with greed for the almighty dollar.
and because the next generation learns from this one…imagine the attitudes and what customer no-service will be like in the future……
July 6th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
When a cop pulls you over and issues you ticket, the officer is just doing his job. When a salesman stalks you in the store, he is just doing his job. Nonetheless, both scenarios are annoying.
July 6th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
brian,
the simple thing i wanted to say from the very beginning is that salesman simply saying hello and greeting you at the door is far far away from stalking a customer. what kind of society do we live in now where the customer feels like their being “stalked” just becuase someone simply says hello, or can i help you? by the way brian, if an officer gives you a ticket its because your doing doing something stupid and your very right, we are both doing our jobs!!!
July 6th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
forum for the rude and uneducated, do you people think i am not a consumer? i am in sales, but im also a consumer like you!! i dont mind being asked for help, but i do mind being stalked. i dont think theres a thing wrong with a commisioned salesperson. why should i? when im ready to make a purchase i want to know about the companies promotions, discounts, or warranty info. i buy cars, motorcycles, carpet, clothing, appliances, etc and i have respect for everyone i talk to until that salesperson gives me a reason not too!! bottom line in all of this is people helping people and i see nothing wrong with that. i think deep down alot of you selfish consumers have a problem with the word “commision”. i have no problem seeing a nice person trying to make a living getting a commision as long as i was taking care of and treated with respect. when im in a diner or resturant i know the waitress doesnt really care about me or want to know me, but as long as my order is correct and hot im leaving a tip. it whats wrong with that? folks, i would rather have someone greet me than me walk into a store needing help and have all the employees ignore me! i think my way of thinking is from seeing both sides “s.w.no matter where you go or what you buy whether its a bolt and screw at lowes or a lawnmower at sears, you will eventually need help or have a question. then, i hope they leave your miserable ass alone because your doing ok all by yourself! good for you!
July 6th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
i have a good idea, why dont you take all your negative energy writing and crying about negative salesman and the next time you go to a company and your treated with kindness and wowed by the service, write a nice letter to their boss and compliment them! this has nothing to do with raymour and flanigan, its about people helping people and whether that make 50.00 an hour or work on commision shouldnt matter! when was the last time any of you people wrote a kind letter to someones employer? yeah, thats what i thought………..
July 21st, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Patting him on the back and grabbing his shoulder! good heavens, you can’t be serious!
July 21st, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Helen — We prefer the “no touchy, no feely” method of shopping. No surprise we won’t shop there anymore. Sigh.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
I work at Raymour and can usually tell before someone walks in when they are uptight about sales approaching. I just say hello and let them know I can tell they want to be alone and let them know I’ll be around. I wait to see if they look like they have questions before reapproaching.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
GG — I’d love to shake your hand! That is exactly the approach I would appreciate, and one that is more likely to result in a sale. You sound experienced and in tune with the customer’s wants and needs. My hat goes off to you! Thanks for commenting.
July 25th, 2008 at 8:00 am
Hello,my name is Brian.I’m currently an employee of Raymour and Flanigan.I sympathize with you on behalf of your encounter with that particular salesperson,but I don’t appreciate being lumped in with him or his ilk.In the handbook it tells us to greet and then let the customer enjoy their shopping experience.That is the way I handle my clients and and all potential clients that enter my store.
First of all,we have to take turns greeting customers.So we’re not standing there waiting to pounce.We are people too,so we may just be standing there talking to each other like “real people” do at their jobs every day.Second of all,it’s people like you and those on cell phones that make us seem like we’re chasing you down.If you would just walk in and say hello and that you’re only looking it would be a lot easier for both parties.We are supposed to keep our clients within view at all times,in case you have any questions.
If you suddenly have a question and no one is around you get mad and say the service is terrible.If you have to find someone to answer a question,then we as sales consultants,may be reprimanded by our managers,because we we weren’t there to assist you.
I think everyone should be a waiter/waitress and do some sort of sales in their lives.You would then understand both occupations are extremely tough because of the public.The public comes in with bad attitudes and we’re supposed to know and adjust to them.
One more thing,if you didn’t like your salesperson patting you on the back you had two options.You could have left or just ask to speak to his manager.You came in with the attitude you were going to be nasty and your experience justified it to you.I apologize on behalf of the many employees that don’t behave like that.
July 25th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Hi, Brian — You definitely work in a tough occupation, no doubt. I think it just needs to be tweaked a little so that sales staff do not feel they must be so aggressive on customers. It’s really a management problem. They should operate under the assumption that most people prefer to shop leisurely rather than to be pressured as they move about the store.
You are clearly not behaving in the way I’ve seen others behave in two different R&F stores. If I’m making a generalization, it’s because my experience warranted it. It’s not quite right that I would be mad if no one was around to answer my questions. R&F hires enough staff that I know it would only take a moment to find someone.
I wish you had be working at the store the day my husband and I shopped there. Would have been a good sales day. Thank you for taking time to comment. It’s good to hear from R&F staff.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:07 am
And S.W. you just sound like a bitter person.You say you would go to a smaller store and buy something for more but I don’t believe you.You’re one of those people that comes in miserable,doesn’t want to be bothered but then complains when no one is there to help them.Then as soon as someone does,the first thing out of your mouth is “I want a deal on this.”
Please don’t tell me to quit a job I enjoy,for the most part,because I have to deal with people like you.If you don’t want to be bothered with sales people,you should love the internet.Stay home and shop.If you worked at Macdonald’s like you say you did,you should understand the greeting.I worked at Friendly’s back in the day,and one of the first things they teach is how to greet the customers.
It’s not the new generation of sales people that are to blame for your attitude,it’s the new generation of the public.Everyone is just about themselves nowadays.The question in their heads is “how does this affect me?”Everyone wants to get to where they want to go now!!They don’t stop to see who or what is in their way and they don’t care.
If someone treated your son or daughter that way you would be the first to complain.I don’t pretend to know what you’re looking for or what style you have in your home,but I can tell you where to find something or if something is good quality or if it’s a low end product.R&F has items that span the whole spectrum.I wouldn’t let you buy something I would sell to a college kid who only needs it for the few years he’s in his apartment.
If you took the time to look at your salesperson you would see that the name tag says”consultant.”That’s exactly what we are there for.Take the time to see the person and not focus on the job…it might make a difference to all concerned.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Kathy,I appreciate your response and thank you.I have a couple guys like that in my store,so I do know what you’re talking about.I’ve only been doing this a few years so maybe I’m still jaded but for the most part,most of us realize that people just want to look around.It just bothers me that we get the rap we do when it’s not the majority of us that behave that way.Again,thank you for understanding.
July 26th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
brian p.
believe it! my wife and i went to a smaller town furniture store (they had two employees working the night we visited).
we were greeted professionally, left to explore the store for what we were looking for, then the saleswoman answered our questions, hunted down patterns, styles, ect. basically went over and above the call of duty while we sat in comfy chairs, never once pushing anything on us. in fact it took two visits to make up our mind. we finished deal on a thursday nite, well after closing time, never feeling pushed because it was quitting time for her. we asked when our couch could be delivered, thinking a week out is acceptable, she told us they could deliver the very next day. (free) we had an issue with the fabric underneath our leather couch (we bought all lazy-boy) it tore during delivery. they told us not to worry, they ordered a new one came out on their own time fixed for free. then made third trip to deliver custom ordered chair, all free.
of course not all salesmen/women are “evil”, but i disagree with your statement on how we as consumers only need to say “no thanks, were just looking” because they have NEVER stopped at that point with me. what happens next is what gets my blood boiling. they continue to ask questions, such as “well what are you looking for?” or ” what can i help you to find?” i figure that when i say no thanks, that’s a pretty straight forward statement.
again, no one has a gun to your head forcing you to work where you or i work. if the management is putting the squeeze on, and it goes against your grain, you or anyone needs to take the responsibility to walk, not stay and pass the buck of blame to whomever is handy.
by the way, we ended up paying the same as any quote we found in chain store, with exceptionally higher service…
July 26th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
s.w. — Thank you for sharing your positive experience. It shows that it’s not necessary to pressure customers. In fact, I don’t think I mentioned where we ultimately bought our furniture — La-z-Boy. Yes, it’s a chain store, but they know what they’re doing. When you walk in, they greet you ONCE, announce their name, and let you go on your merry way. When you’re ready, you go back and get that person’s attention again and they begin the process of assisting you.
Couldn’t have been easier and I wish we would have gone there first and been done with it. Furniture shopping need not be the torture.
July 26th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
S.W. and Kathy I again say,it’s not all salespeople.That is the only thing I’m trying to get across.I very rarely sell my clients the first time they come in unless they come in for a specific item.Even then,just like alot of us old school people,they might have come in just to see what it looks like in person instead of on the internet or a sales flyer.S.W.I am not passing any buck.I’m a 49 yr.old man and I take full responsibility for everything I do.I don’t act the way you describe and I take offense at your lumping me in with everyone.I work in a 72,000 sq.ft.store so when I let you go on your way I am staying visible to you,in case you have a question.I congratulate you on finding what you wanted,where you wanted but all I’m saying is don’t paint us all with such a broad stroke of your brush.
July 27th, 2008 at 5:28 am
Brian P — Yes, I’m aware not all sales staff operate in this way, and congratulations on not being one of them. I did find that most of the staff in the two stores I visited overdid it, though. Maybe it’s a regional thing? Some of the commenters here had better experiences elsewhere from stores that don’t operate in this manner, and bought things, so it shows it’s possible to still be successful without the hard sell. Maybe R&F’s sales totals prove otherwise, but I know I won’t be returning there since I’m pretty sure I know what I can expect. I wish you continued success. Maybe you even do a little better than your counterparts, since you’re following the beat of a different drummer.
July 27th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Gosh-I just happened across this! I had a terrible experience with Raymour and Flanigan a few years ago-However I do not blame the sales man-although yes, he was pushy, and I went in a few times to decide on a dining room set-and dreaded each time I saw him-but-I most fault
the corporation and management.I should have reported them to Better Business Bureau.Truly a horrendous experience with the delivery,terrible quality of furniture,etc. The dining room table-original one was
unbelievable-finish was “buckling”-got a new table with
great difficulty-that one, the legs fell off…..I wrote
the regional manager-explained all of the problems(took off several afternoons for instance to get delivery-no shows-would come with one chair-just for an example of what i went through.He sent me a check for $50 bucks!)
I got a new dining room table from a different company-
When the delivery guy brought the R&F table down to my garage-very nice of hime to do so-said,” I don’t even know what this is made out of-it’s not wood-it’s like particle board or something?” It’s still in my garage-legs fallen off and all.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
i recently went to a new R n F store in my neighborhood. i was approached by a sales clerk who offered me a bottle of water and let me know his name also that he would be around if I was in need of any assistance.
I expressed to him that i was just browsing and if I decide on anything I would look for him then. He was fine with it. I didnt purhase n e thing however i did look for him before i left to get his card for the next time i visit the store.
Of course others approached me and i expressed that i already had a sales clerk to see just in case. They were not hostile or agressive. Yes it can be annoying but its their job to get a sale.
I believe that people already know what to expect when they enter a funiture store so they get on the defensive as they approach the door.
Be for real people when you walk into a Gucci, Louis Vuitton, coach, prada, and various stores the sale clerks in these stores also come to your assistance. The goal is to make a sale. You know what to expect when you walk into them.
So No! the sales clerk shouid NOT quit, the consumer which i am one should not go into the stores. You have a choice not to purchase not to be intimidated and mostly not to enter the store.
Most if not ALL funiture stores are this way so suck it up.
August 9th, 2008 at 1:08 am
I have been in sales my whole life, sales people are a different breed. Most people don’t understand what makes us tick. As a salesman myself, what makes most of us tick is Money. As for the R&f sales people, I have gone to the store in Whitehall and the sales person did follow us around all over the store, we didn’t buy because we were followed around all over the store. I think as a trainer and a multi millionaire dollar sales producer their training staff should teach their sales people to relax, if a customer walks in the store approach, give them your business card, show them where your desk is, explain that you work on a commission base and to please come back and talk to me if you are interested or have any questions. This would go over so much better and would probably gain the store and sales force more sales. On top of it all, the customer would feel relaxed and would buy. Win win situation.
August 16th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I HATE the people that work at Raymour and Flanigan, they are like vultures. and they have also swallowed the BS they must have been fed while being trained. I think the furniture is poor quality and overpriced and the whole shebang must have “drank the koolaid”. and are awaiting the halebop comet so they can get on the tail and ride off to never never land. they work for scam artists.
August 18th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Kathy, you obviously are the kind of person that feels the need to step out of the shower to blow her nose…lol What is it about sales people that scare you so much? Is it your lack of intelligence or could it be that you are a very insecure individual? I work in the corporate world but I started my work waiting tables and took on a sales job in my early days to help me with leverage on my corporate job. I had a lot of fun selling and most of my customers were very happy with my service. Reasons why they were happy came from the greetings as they walked in, making sure I was around for questioning, letting them know about different finance options, educating them about our products and services, and last but not least showing them the value of our products. Now people like you whether you believe it or not will never have a great experience looking for furniture or any other commission based professional business because you have poor attitudes and live sheltered lives with in your own little work network an no matter what you will represent yourself as a miserable person…. Well that’s all I have to say…
August 18th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Kathy & Others
Don’t ever think you are taken for granted. As potential customers you are the most important thing to us. As a sales associates and manager I am proud to be part of this company. With that said I also understand the shopping experience which can be frightening and a bit confusing at times. We all work diligently to make your shopping experience a good one, that’s extremely important to me and our sales associates.
We want to greet each guest and introduce ourselves and leave you to do your own browsing at your own pace. We also must be available to answer questions. If you have questions and most furnishings shoppers will have some we should be available to answer them.
You really can’t be “SOLD” anything you don’t want. You should and will “MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION”. I’ve been in this business for a long time and I love what I do. What we all try to do here is give you direction if you need it so you don’t make mistakes and we should also be sure you don’t spend any more than you have to.
Well whether shopping Raymour & Flanigan or any other fine furniture store use the professionals, if you need them, and do compare qualities and prices. You work hard for your money and deserve to purchase the best quality at the best value to properly decorate a comfortable and beautiful home.
Good luck to all of you, and look forward to shopping for furniture it can be a great experience.
December 14th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
By the way. Noones JUST LOOKING. If you’re in the store with your husband or wife or kids you’re in the market.Our jobs as salesman are to figure out your needs and listen carefully. With respect of course. We don’t care if you buy on the spot we just appreciate your business and hope to make positive memorable experiences so you will return. The just looking phrase has come to be a widely accepted phrase and shouldn’t be used because its misleading. We believe your just looking and don’t want help then when we leave you alone you get pissed that you’re not being helped. Just let us know what you’re interested in so you don’t have to wander around the store all day looking for one leather couch when we know exactly where its at. Give respect get respect.
January 21st, 2009 at 9:35 am
WOW, I cant believe that people get this worked up about being greeted at the door! I am a salesman at Rayour & Flanigan and treat people the way I like to be treated. I give people room when they ask for it (instead of hiding why dont you just talk to a sales person instead of running from them?) ITS O K TO TALK TO US WE DONT EAT OUR YOUNG! I know that some people in my profession can be way over the top, try making it clear to the sales person how you would like to be treated. Just tell them that you want to look by yourself and would appreciate them staying within eyesight so you can get them if you have a question. Try this with a smile
on your face next time. If this does not work and they hound you dont get mad just let the manager know you would like to work with someone that will LISTEN to your wishes.
January 23rd, 2009 at 11:27 pm
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May 9th, 2009 at 1:25 am
Hi, Cathy!
I have been a sales trainer for many companies. In the sales industry, a person like you is our worst nightmare. Allow me to explain why. 1) Not everyone wants to be left alone to shop like you. Some people want sales people to hold their hands and answer all of their questions from the beginning to the end. Why would I prefer running all over the store to look for my salesperson, especially at a furniture store. Remember, the more money you spend, the more questions you should have. 2) These people just want to greet you at the door to make you feel welcome. I like that. If I am going to spend a few thousand Dollars, someone better greet me. They have a better chance to sell me if they build rapport at the beginning. Greeting is making me feel welcome and that’s a part of building rapport. What do you think? 3) touching? that’s a cultural thing. Everyone in Italy touches when then talk. Thank goodness they’re in Italy. Otherwise you will have 40 Million new enemies. Some people like touching and some don’t. I can’t imagine why anyone wants to touch you. Do you see how you treat people? You treat them like dogs and cats. What do I do when I come to a car dealership? I treat the salesperson with respect. Tell them what I need. If I’m nice to them, they will be nice to me. Because I respect them and I am loyal to them, they treat me better than they treat you. They will sell me something that they would buy for themselves (provided our needs are the somewhat similar). They might even give me a better discount. You treat them like kids. “speak when spoken to”? wtf?? They’re adults. Not children. “answer then retreat”? wtf?? They’re sales people, not your slave. Just be nice to people. They’ll be nice to you.
May 14th, 2009 at 4:23 am
I am a R and F salesperson and yes, some are pushy and some are anoying, but at least where I work the majority are not. We have a job at the front door and that is to greet you and to see if you have shopped with us before and if so, was there a particular salesperson that you used. If you did not have a salesperson, then you become that salespersons customer. It is then our job to see if you are there for a specific reason or just to browse. If you are looking for a particular item, we obviously can help. If just to browse, you still that salespersons customer and we can not take another customer until you have left our showroom. I try to give customers as much room as possible, but it is company policy that we always keep our customer in sight. I like to tell my customers, that if you need me I’ll be close enuf to help but not too close to annoy. This usually gets a chuckle from my customers but there’s always one or two, who if they even see you, think you’re stalking. Those people need to lighten up and just shop instead of worrying if someone can see them. I always laugh at the people who would rather try to figure out the back of a tag on an item instead of just asking me. Then ther are those who get on their cell phone as soon as they are entering the store. As if the phone is some sort of cloaking device. Best of all there are those who come in just to “waste some time”.
These people are all my customers and are treated equally, but try as I might there is always gong to be someone who finds fault with someone who is there to provide a service if needed. Nothing I can do about those folks
Just think of it this way, if your brother or sister, son or daughter was that saleseperson, how would you treat them and how would you want others to treat them as well?
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:40 am
I understand both sides of the spectrum with regards to the comments on the blog from salespeople and customers who want to be left alone.
I’ve walked into R&F and other furniture stores knowing full well the salespeople would swoop in. I’m not the most social person and usually like to be left alone. HOWEVER, as several have pointed out here, they are just doing their jobs. If I happened to work there and was making commission I’d be swooping in too!
And truth be told, the salesperson I happened to get at the R&F store was very friendly and did stay with us the entire time (past closing) and even offered to come in on his day off if we needed him to.
We haven’t closed a sale yet. From what I’ve read on furniture buying sites it’s not forbidden to ask for 20% off to gauge the salesperson’s response. Now, our salesperson told us we can’t really get % off with 3 year financing – that’s too long and the “manager”
‘probably’ won’t allow it. I’m fairly sure the manager is not involved in the decision making at all and it’s the salesperson that has discretion on how much discount we get. Are we crazy for asking for 10% off with 3 year no interest financing? I mean, how much wiggle room do they REALLY have? Does financing result in a lower commission? We are making a larger purchase because of the $3000 minimum required for the 3 yr financing. I’m sure the salesperson is getting a healthy commission either way.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
J.S. …Let me explain as simply as possible a few things. First if you were a sales associate with R&F you wouldn’t “SWOOP IN” on anyone or you wouldn’t last very long. You would “Greet your customer” professionally. It is an awful practice to ignor customers entering your store. If that ever happens, and unfortunately it does happen, customers go and complain to customer service. They ask “Can I get some help! No, no one greeted me at the door!”
Yes, only the manager can approve discounts and package pricing. The salesman can extend the sale pricing or current promotion only. Also you will never, I repeat never, get 10% with 3 year financing even if the sale were over 20,000 dollars. For what that financing cost the company and the pricing structure of the company and the everyday “lowest pricing policy” shown on all of the price tags an additional discount is not available. With that said many people need the 3 year extended financing and that’s why it is available at certain times.
The “healthy commissions” come on be realistic I’m sure what ever you do for a living you’re overpaid. My point is we all work for companies that struggle everyday to try and stay profitable and competition is tough. Our sales associates are quality professionals but like everyone else they work very hard every week to make a living and make ends meet. I hope I’ve given you some understanding of our business. We will always do whatever we can to earn your business.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Thanks for your response A.J.
My understanding is 12% off is the ‘highest’ discount that can be given at Raymour and Flanigan. After trying to negotiate that discount with 3 year financing and failing (since it’s apparently never done, as you pointed out) I took that information to another local retailer and was able to get them to match the R&F discounted price on the same exact piece I really wanted. I also got free shipping.
The argument the R&F sales people were trying to make was that R&F was paying for the furniture through 2013, so that’s why they can’t combine financing with a discount. That’s nonsense. Wells Fargo is paying for the furniture until 2013. The whole catch with those promotions is that you fail to complete the payoff by the promotion end date or miss a payment and then get caught with 22%+ interest. We both know R&F is making some $$$ off of the financing, it’s not just for the customer’s convenience. This should allow a manager to extend the discount AND financing to a customer that needs it. Otherwise, like in my case, you drive off the customer and force them to look at a competitor.
You just can’t hassle people around and give them a hard time in this environment. Furniture stores that do don’t survive. Had R&F worked with me I might have purchased 4-5 pieces there and recommended them to my friends and family. Maybe I would have come back in the future for more. Unfortunately, that wasn’t my experience.
June 6th, 2009 at 12:50 am
J.S. – Retailers pay the banks like Wells Fargo a percentage of the retail amount for long term financing. The bank determines the financing charges and APR (annual percentage rate). No retailer gets any of the banks APR you can check that information out with any bank or lending institution. I thought I would try and clear up some misinformation.
I’m a consumer too and I try to get all the information I can when making a large purchase, as you have. You have the right to spend your hard earned money where ever you want. The information is yours to either learn from or disregard.
Enjoy your furniture if you have indeed purchased it. I understand we are not the only home furnishings company out there but I believe we are the best.
June 16th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
To AJ – R & F Manager-
HAHAHAHAHAHA – I WORK in the accounting dept of a major retailer. What you just gave is a VERY professional sounding lie – my hats off to ya! EVERY furniture retailer including the one I work for makes $$$$ off financing! Yeah we dont get the APR, but we both know (as well as many financially-well-informed consumers) that there are about 30 billion more “terms and conditions” that go into contracts between retailers and financial institutions, so please do not pull that BS. Actually, maybe you are being honest- maybe you are simply regurgitating exactly what you have been trained to say. Anyways, if thats the case then there is a LOT your corporate office is not telling you and the financing world…
Funny thing is- you just did EXACTLY what every anti- R&F complainer on this post is accusing salespeople of doing! hahaha – thanks you just made my day
June 19th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
I worked at a Raymour and Flanigan store as a sales associate for 8 years (I was laid off last year ‘cuz I’m not aggressive and my sales sucked for the last year or two). Honestly, Kathy, a year ago I would have been so angry with your comments because, like bill and brian wrote “we are just doing our job.” But now that I’m out, I AM REFORMED. Commissioned sales jobs are HORRIBLE.
Raymour and Flanigan is a HORRIBLE company to work for. We were on an “up” system (a list with our names on it in order) and a certain number of us had to be “on the door.” Usually just 2 or 3 when it was slow, but during peak times (weekends) there could be 8 or 9 of us out en masse. And we had to “take” in correct order so that was why we just stared at the door in “ready to pounce” mode. And pounce we did, we were all about the money. After a good sale we would hi-5 each other in the sales office (which was called the “bull pen,” I HATED that name) also if we could get you off of taking the long-term financing or sell you the protection plan (which is lame) we were laughing and adding up our money. Some associates would laugh if they could overcharge a customer on a special order or a total room package (There were tricks to overcharge. I swear to your audience that I didn’t overcharge and most associates don’t, but there are always 2 or 3 in every store) As for the comment bob just made, I don’t know how much the company makes or gets charged on long term financing by Wells Fargo, but I can ASSURE YOU, bob, that Raymour and Flanigan charges their SALES ASSOCIATES if you take the long-term financing. There is a line right on our paycheck for financing. If the customer takes the 30 day financing we get money, if the customer takes interest free we are charged. That’s why we try to get you off of it and why we don’t like to discount with long term financing except “Wine and Cheese Night” when we did 10% off with a One-year. (Although 2 associates I’m still friends with HAVE given 10% with the 2013 because the economy is so bad, so THERE, A.J., It does happen!! Maybe just not in your store) And “Friends and Family Night” (15% off purchase under $2500, 20% off purchase over $2500) is the highest discount, not the 12%. And at the last one I was at, a customer negotiated a 1 Year with the 20% off!!! So that happens as well. You just have to be a tough customer.
But anyway the point I’m trying to make is that it is just a regular day at the office pouncing on people and hovering over customers (because we would get in trouble if we didn’t and we were paranoid that another sales associate would try to steal our customers) I did try to care about my customers and enjoy what I did, but the bottom line was: you were/are just basically dollar signs.
But the worst part of Raymour is the service after your delivery. The company is fast food, they throw it together at the service center, they cram as much as they can on a truck and when you have problems they are not good at follow thru. That was a year ago, and since then, because of the economy, they’ve made even more cut-backs to the service centers (because they’re not “profit centers”) Raymour and Flanigan needs to be unionized and as a consumer I’d try to bUy furniture from a non-commissioned associate. Take it from me, a ex-commissioned associate, the customer’s best interests are NOT IN THEIR BEST INTEREST!!!!!
June 19th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
David — Thanks for chiming in with your experience on both sides of the table. You’ve validated my point. I’ve pretty much stayed away from commenting back here because I know everyone’s experiences were/are different. But my experience was true and still stands. Hovering and pouncing is no way to endear yourself to a customer. As for the after-sale part of the show, I’m glad we didn’t buy from them. I’ve read/heard horror stories about delivery and service.
Again, thanks for providing some feedback from the inside. Much appreciated.
June 19th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
And Kathy (and all your readers) I still have many friends at R&F and because of the economy, its gotten worse there. I have friends that are like me (trying so hard not to annoy customers) and those friends are on final notice to be fired if they don’t start getting MORE AGGRESSIVE. (You have to maintain a closing percentage and a $ amount each week or you are written up) I agree with your list of 5 things R&F should do, unfortuneately the Goldbergs don’t. (The Goldberg’s started the company with the fake name “Raymours” because they are, well, FAKE!) The management is forcing associates to “T.O.” (turn over) every customer that walks into the store. If you think the old approach was bad, the “turn over” process is worse. If you walk in and ignore your salesperson, they must “turn you over” to a more aggressive saleperson to try to break the ice. If that doesn’t work, you are suppose to be “turned over” again and again until you talk to someone about your purpose in the store or you leave pissed off. So if you think being attacked at the door is bad, try it 3 or 4 times and every time more aggressive. The “turn over” process has been around in commissioned sales since the beginning of, well, commissioned sales. But now it is strictly enforced at R&F. The thought of it just makes me sick to my stomach. You actually record every “up” and how many times you “t.o.ed” that customer and the managers call those figures in at night to home office. I left sales (well, because I was KICKED out!) and I’ve gone back to school to get a real job. I suggest any commissioned salesperson with a conscience to do the same!
June 20th, 2009 at 6:23 am
I thought I was done trying to defend my “chosen” profession and the good salespeople out there,but here I am again.I don’t know what store Dave worked at but that is not the case where I work.We all TO if we don’t hit it off with the customer,mostly to allow the customer to work with someone they feel is more comfortable for them.We don’t and are not forced to TO over and over again because that would annoy anyone and that just doesn’t make sense.I just think Dave still has bad feelings towards R and F because he was let go.I don’t know what he did,it couldn’t just be because his numbers were down because everyone’s are.Yeah,they let some people go on the delivery side but not on the sales side or the service side.Like I said I’m done trying to defend the industry as a whole.A few months ago you same people would have said bankers are the best,most reliable people in the world…now we know different.Salespeople aren’t all the same.Even stores in an organization aren’t the same.You people just want to throw a blanket over all of it and say it’s bad.Go ahead.Don’t shop where you don’t want to,shop where you’re comfortable.Good luck and just remember,it’s only furniture people,not brain surgery,or the cure for cancer.I just hope no one puts you under that blanket for something one of your peers may have supposedly done.Enjoy your life,your furniture and your choices.
June 21st, 2009 at 1:38 am
Bravo Brian!! Obviously you’re passionate about your profession and yes it is a profession to be proud of. Today is Father’s Day and I can remember the finest man I have ever known and respected was a professional salesman he was my Dad. I lost him much too early in life but I learned many lessons from him. Love what you do, do it to the best of your ability and never stop learning. He taught me to be respectful, helpful and supportive. I do that everyday and I teach that everyday. The sales professionals I work with day in and day out also make me proud to work with them.
You must care about the customer, you must care about their wants and needs or you shouldn’t be in sales because you won’t succeed. I wouldn’t work with salaried sales associates. I’ve seen companies try it and fail because most people will take the easy way, and take longer breaks, lunches and dinners. They work with fewer customers and tend to have that …I make the same thing whether I sell something or sell nothing today I don’t have to kill myself ..I’ll sit here at my desk and relax.
Again I’m proud to be a manager…actually a sales professional. I like people and I do try and help everyone. At the end of the day I feel great because I didn’t force, offend, or take advantage of anyone. I believe I was able to help customers with my expertise and experience to make a decision, not make a mistake or spend any more than they needed to spend. Also to help them in making that buying decision if they fell it’s the right time for them.
Those of you who haven’t purchased at R & F will be pleasantly suprised at the values and the customer and delivery service. Presently with 90 stores Raymours is the largest furniture retailer in the Northeast. Number 10 in the top 100 furniture retailers in the country. Doing that amount of business issues will arise at times and that’s some of what your reading here. I know how hard I work to solve those issues when they come up and I always have the support of the company to do so.
There are certainly other quality furniture retailers out there with much to offer.
In short I enjoy working for Raymour and Flanigan. I look forward to going in to work everyday and I will always be proud of what I do and how I do it.
June 21st, 2009 at 6:50 am
Ugh! Brian and A.J. are really enjoying the kool-aid on a daily basis. Um, guys, too much of that stuff’ll kill you!
Well, you two are just trying to make a living so my hats go off to you both, expecially if you enjoy your job. We should all be so lucky. The fact is I’m NOT a straight-commissioned salesperson and being one for many years, I (my personal opinion only!) don’t find it a respectable profession. I think there’s something inherently wrong with only earning a salary if you sell something. And let’s make sure all of Kathy’s readers understand this – RAYMOUR AND FLANIGAN SALES ASSOCIATES DO NOT MAKE A DIME UNLESS THEY SELL YOU SOMETHING. It is a straight-commissioned sales system. You do not make a dime showing up in the morning, you do not make a dime putting out sales tags, you do not make a dime hovering over the “up” station “ready to pounce.” The sales associate must SELL you something, have it delivered into your home, have you sign that it is indeed in your home and have the ticket finalized in order to get paid. THINK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF MENTALITY THAT CULTURE CREATES! Point Blank- the sales associates’ interestests are not the customers’ best interests!! A.J. and Brian, I sincerely hope that your stores aren’t doing as badly as the one I worked at is. When the store I worked at had their grand opening there were 42 sales associates, now they are down to 15. Most quit because the sales aren’t there, but at least 8 were let go because of poor sales. The 15 that are left are very aggressive. Some of them are still my friends and I tell them ALL THE TIME that I would NEVER buy anything from them because I don’t trust them as salespeople. They just laugh. 2 of the million dollar writers said to me, “I’d never buy anything from MYSELF” Of course this is a tongue-in-cheek statement, but believe me folks, YOU CANNOT TRUST ALL OF THE ASSOCIATES AT RAYMOUR! And unfortuneately, when you walk into the store, you do not know (without the aid of telekinetic powers) the trust level of the associate who is assigned to you. And face it, do you really want to be bothered with that element?
But we all have to deal with it with major ticket items. Buying a house, buying a car (as well as most furniture and jewelry) you are dealing with the straight-commissioned mentality. BUYERS, TAKE HEED!!!!!
October 1st, 2009 at 10:46 pm
I work at Raymour and Flanigan. The hours on your feet are long and boring. Many customers are like Kathy and very rude when they come in.
But we have rules that we must work by. We must get permission from management to give discounts. And YES if you finance your purchase the Salesman LOOSES a large portion of their commission.
I could care less if you financed. I would rather you didn’t. I would make a larger commission if you paid cash.
I work in a very large showroom and we are actually watched with cameras all day long.
If we do not greet you and stay near you we will be fired.
But quess what, the same thing is true at Bob’s discount furniture and at Sleepys.
The salesmen must greet you and stay with you.
November 16th, 2009 at 2:55 am
I think all this boils down to how well people treat other people, i have shopped at Raymour and Flanigan and always had a great experience. I would be offended if i wasnt greeted, true i want to have space while shopping but i also understand the stores are so huge that the greeting salesperson simply cannot ignore you and walk away. who will be there if you have a question? I shop at Raymour alot and am always greeted by ONE salesman, not 2 or 3 or 4. I was offered a bottle of water when i came in, is that something i should be upset about? lol, i think all of you negative toward Raymour and Flanigan are all uptight and i think most salespeople are true professionals there to help you and i think its ashame to label all of them bad just because of a bad experience by one salesman. Also, being the largest furniture retailer in the Northeast didnt happen by upsetting customers and lack of customer service and last time i checked they are opening store after store! I think customers should walk in, smile, be respectful and just say hello instead of having a cell phone jammed in their ear!
November 21st, 2009 at 7:20 pm
I will tell all of my friends and family and everybody on the street never to step foot into this store. Last weekend I went to buy a living room. A saleswoman approached and I told her I am an accountant, not a decorator so I really need help. She assured me that she studied interior design and she will help me put together a living room. The furniture arrived today and it didn’t even match. She told me time and time again how great the tables went with the couches. The tables were on the other side of the store so I never saw them together but I trusted her. Now I find out they have no returns or exchanges. I was floored. She never told me that. I spent 5 grand on a living room that doesn’t match at all. They and she should be ashamed of themselves.
November 21st, 2009 at 10:52 pm
“Accountant”
Please know that your business is appreciated and not taken for granted by R&F. It sounds like you believe only “Decorators” can buy furniture properly. There are customers woman and men from all walks of life that have put together some extraordinary living areas and tastefully.
Everyday tables are moved throughout the store so customers can get an idea of what it will look like in a room setting together. Did you request they do that?
You say the furniture didn’t match ??? Did they mix Modern with Traditional or was it fabrics that didn’t work together or different colors or types of wood? I’m confused by “it didn’t match”.
Did you make a purchase at a R&F Value Center? That is the only type of R&F store that “All sales are final”. You certainly will be taken care of if you purchased at a Raymour & Flanigan showroom and experienced the issues you’ve mentioned. It doesn’t really matter how large the purchase we are in business to satisfy the customer. Please also understand I’m certainly not saying you’re at fault I’m just trying to explain we are in business to serve you the customer. I hope you’ll give the store the chance to make it right it’s their responsibility to address your issues. Thanks for listening and best of luck to you.
December 10th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
As a former Raymour & Flanigan employee, I personally observed the sales staff as they were forced to stalk potential customers & be reprimanded if they didn’t.I totally agree with everything David Gustafson has said here.I was not in sales, but still treated like crap by regional sale managers. I observed a parade of poor quality furniture (mostly made overseas) come through the warehouse & sold to unsuspecting customers. Moldy furniture from China was common. I must say that R & F’s marketing team does a wonderful job of putting lipstick on a pig. The furniture will likely last long enough to make that sale. Once it’s in your home, you’re on your own. regardless of whatever BS “AJ” is trying to feed you, there are no returns. If you squawk loudly enough, you may get a store credit so that you are fortunate enough to pick out some other shoddily upholstered or assembled in a 3rd world country crap to replace the crap you we luckily able to exchange.
December 22nd, 2009 at 1:27 pm
R&F was having a purchase today and get it by Christmas. So my wife wanted a new dinning room set, so we decided to make it her present. So after work we both show and get the usual greet. I’m very cordial and I tell him thanks. I ask about delivery by Christmas and he says all dinning sets can be deliverd by Christams. I say, great, give us some time and we’ll come back to you when we find something.
Not even 5 minutes later he comes after us with two water bottles. I again, very nicely say we’re just looking and I will track him down with any questions. Back to shopping again and I can see him tracking.. stalking us and typing at any computer terminal that was near us.
He comes up again, a 3rd time, and asks if we need help. Again, no, cordially.
Now at this point, my wife and I had decided on two pieces and wanted a private spot to talk over the money. But again, the whole time he is stalking us and now is pissing me off.
So after all that and we settle on a deal and he confirms shipping for 12/23 I ask him will they guarantee delivery on that date? He says, absolutely! So I probe one more time about delivery, but this time he says “Well, we have a truck deliverying everything except the chairs but it arrives on the 12/22 in NY (we’re in PA)” so I can’t guarantee the chairs.
In retrospect I’m glad we didn’t get it. After the wife and I came down from the purchase high, we realized the quality sucks (think slightly better than walmart) and just how scummy they were.
It would have been a nightmare once we got the furniture from reading the online horror stories about r&f.
January 6th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
The r&f people are not making me want to buy from their store the way they go on justifying their actions. I think like Kathy. If we want you we will get you. If we have questions we will ask. We purchased furniture from r&f because we had that kind of a salesmen. He was pleasant and stuck to the ” I’ll be here if you need me” routine. We walk into stores knowing salesmen are on the attack. stop it will work.
January 6th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
We bought a bedroom set for our daughter in 12/06 with no interest (with payments) till 1/2010…I called first week of December to find out exact loan balance for b/r set because we also purchased a tempurpedic bed last July. So we have 2 different subaccounts with them. They cashed my check 12/13/09 and now say because of NEW federal guidelines its up to Wells Fargo where the money gets posted? WTH? I made monthly payments, never late and made the last balance payment and now their gonna charge me finance charges going back to 12/06 because so idiot posted my last payment to our tempurpedic acct. thats interest free till 2013? And no one at Raymour and Flanigan in Niagara Falls NY can say anything because they don’t have access to our acct.? They say its a seperate company? Wells Fargo does not have anyone to answer our questions? They do not know what they are doing. We would not recommend buying or using Wells Fargo for any of your credit need!!!!!!!!EVER!!!
March 15th, 2010 at 8:09 am
The Raymour & Flanigan at Seneca Mall Rte 57
Warners, NY 13164
315-652-3711 Is the worst store on the planet. They sold a friend of mine a sectional couch for a 1,000 bucks. That would have been fine if the couch was not damaged. We were going to load the couch onto my truck when we had noticed that it had a rip in the bottom about 5 inches long.
If you have ever moved a couch you know that it is easier to move though doorways without the feet on. So my friend unscrewed one of the feet from the bottom of the couch. Upon doing this about a 20inch by 20 inch corner from the bottom cover fell. It was being held on by the foot of the couch!
Now the inside of the couch had been reveled. We saw that the corner of the frame of the couch had been broken a then repaired! Someone had “fixed” it by taking a piece of pine and “marring” it with sheet rock screws to the broken frame.
So we tell the stock boys what we had found and one of them asked “did you rip it?”
They then got the sales girl who said she “didn’t no nothing about it” “they should have done a 360 on it” then went to get the store manager the store manager (Debbi Rossi) Came back and asked us why WE ripped it. We said it was ripped to fix a broken frame and not stapled back up. She then told us that she had us on video RIPPING the cover off the couch!! I was so pissed. I felt so bad for my friend. He was sold a broken couch, discovered the cover-up and then was accused of damaging property to get a discount! I left the building because I was so pissed off.
My friend made them show him the video tape they claimed they had and it showed that we did NOT do what they accused us of. They refunded his money and told him that they had the same couch at a different store for 700 bucks more. Real nice. He declined the offer and left.
I will never shop at Raymour And Flanigan. And I will tell all my friends of my experience.
April 19th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
John, so let me get this straight, the salesman greets you, then a few minutes later offers you bottles of water and then a little while later asks you if you need help, and you think THIS is bad service?! You sound like the type that complains that they CAN’T find anyone to help them in a department store. Oh and by the way, I’m pretty sure that Raymour and Flanigan do not manufacture their own furniture, and from what I’ve seen they sell most of the top brands there.
May 6th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
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May 18th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
My experience with Raymour & Flanagan has been the absolute worse of any dealings with a furniture store. I customed ordered a sofa, chair and wing chair on 3/6. I needed to bring attention to sales associate at time of purchase that the number she entered for sofa showed up as a love seat. Was told that it would be corrected and we would get a sofa. 6 weeks later the furniture was delivered, albeit with love seat! Was unhappy at time of delivery and was told by delivery guys that they are not allowed to return items. Spoke with Sales Assoc who said she thought that was what we had ordered as she could remember some discussion about a love seat!! I was told that a sofa would be ordered and delivered asap. Had to have tech in to make necessary repair to two chairs, one chair had several holes in base of it. Sofa was scheduled for delivery on Tues (5-17). Received call from Sales Assoc. on Monday 5-16 to say that low and behold a love seat was sent by manufacturers!!! Requested they come pick up furniture from my home and issue a credit in amount of $3K+. Was told delivery truck would be here this morning (5-18) to pick up furniture between 8 & 10 am. Needless to say I had to call the store manager at 3:45 today as I was still waiting for pickup only to be told that there was no pick up scheduled for today! Pick up is scheduled for 5-20. This is my first and last purchase with Raymour & Flanagan.
August 29th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
I worked for Raymour and Flanigan for nearly four years. I have shopped at many stores, and became frustrated by not being able to find a sales person at the time that I needed a price or information regarding a product. It’s frustrating! At Raymour and Flanigan, the owners are concerned that their customers get the best help available..and you have to be available to receive that help. We were not taught to “stalk” our customers, but simply to be in sight of them, should they have a question. When we had customers that needed to browse, I certainly allowed them their privacy, but checked in with them from time to time to assist them, should a question arise. This is not stalking, but simply attempting to be helpful, and do our jobs. I have never, in four years, seen hi fiving at taking advantage of a customer. That was not the policy of the company. Like all other companies, we attempted to provide you with quality furniture for a reasonable price. Raymour and Flanigan has grown as a company through good times and bad, by offering the best deal for the money. They believe that no one deserves to walk into their store, without being greeted and welcomed in. If the customer browses, or requires help, we were paid to provide it. So, before you complain about being attended to just a little too well, think about how many times you’ve walked into a store, and have been ignored. Thank God most customers are understanding, and appreciate the attention that is provided them. I no longer work for Raymour and Flanigan, but I certainly can’t sit here and listen to them being bashed, for doing what they feel is the right thing to do for most of the customers. The customers that don’t appreciate the greeting at the door, being offered a bottle of water while they browse, or the ease of finding their sales person when a question arises, are far and few in between.
August 29th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
Roseann I absolutely understand how you feel when listening to some of these comments, I felt the same. It almost seems as if these individuals have really never been in a Raymour & Flanigan showroom, but in their defense I certainly know mistakes can happen. I truly believe all the issues mentioned could have been and would have been addressed, to the customers satisfaction, if cooler heads would have prevailed.
You may be accused of “drinking the coolaid” rather than having a true affection for the company and their customers. We have good reason for our loyalty because we’ve experienced it first hand for many years.
Thanks for commenting and understand that we will always help our customers and try to make their shopping experience comfortable and pleasant.
The truth be told no matter what the product sold or service rendered there will always be those who have a bad experience and will never forgive or forget that experience. The shame is that those shoppers sometimes lose out on the values that may be available at these stores because of their decision to avoid them.
September 1st, 2010 at 8:24 am
AJ, I think what most people don’t understand is what they consider annoying, another customer appreciates. If you ignore them, most of the customers would complain. If you make yourself available, a small handful will feel “stalked”. When I worked at Raymour and Flanigan, the policy was the make the customer’s shopping experience a pleasure. Make them feel comfortable and enjoy their time spent there. For the most part, people appreciate receiving a sales persons undivided attention. I always tried to respect their feelings, and give them the space that some needed in order to browse, letting them know that when and if they required my attention, I would be within range for them to find me. Every customer that walks through the door is important, and it is our job to assure them of that. They aren’t a number that just walked through the door and forgotten. In all of the years that I worked at Raymour and Flanigan, the customer was always number one. It’s not like we are staying close by so that they can’t walk out with a sofa! I’ve had the pleasure to work with thousands of customers while working for R&F, and for the most part providing them with one on one attention was a positive experience for them. They received the help that they wanted, when they wanted it, and were never badgered into a sale. Their questions were answered, the right price for the product was provided, and they left knowing exactly what they would receive for the money they were willing to spend. When you provide good service, many of them remember that and return when they’re ready to buy. Sadly, every company has their share of purchases that for one reason or another don’t go as smoothly as one would want. During my employment with Raymour and Flanigan, I saw thousands of happy customers, returning to purchase other pieces. One bad experience doesn’t reflect that full picture.
September 9th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Do sales associates just receive commission? Or Salary plus commission.. thanks!
September 24th, 2010 at 1:53 am
I have never get the chance to visit Raymour and Flanigan but my sister in-law had the same sentiments with you guyz. They hadn’t got the time to leisurely browse for something and i just said “maybe they were just doing their job.Entertain their customer and assisting them. Anyway thats what most salespeople do..”
October 24th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
My Raymour & Flanigan experience. Went there today dreading the whole sales tactic approach. Went in expecting to be pounced upon, we weren’t! We were greeted by a salesman who asked if he could help & were we looking for something in particular. We were looking for a bedroom set, he walked us to the bedroom area and told us that he would leave us to wander the bedrooms and if we had any questions he would be back. We were able to walk around and leisurely look at all the bedrooms, we got it down to 2, the salesman came back, asked if we had any questions and then proceeded to sell the furniture (it’s his job, his living). We bought, it’s being delivered this week and I have to say I am very happy with how the events played out. We are all leery of dealing with salespeople BECAUSE we have dealt with a bad one somewhere along the line to make us dislike “salespeople” as a whole. There are some good ones out there, sometimes you have to let your guard down and trust another one!
October 27th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
For customers or persons who dont want to be bother or greeted, try going in to an emergency room when doctors are busy tending others and you think you need help asap and nobody is paying attention to you, let see how will you feel.Or better go to a funeral home and shop for your coffin,nobody will bother you there.I dont how much education you have,on good manners and right conduct.